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 Sunday, August 15, 2004
started 8/15/2004; 11:35:34 AM - last post 8/18/2004; 3:30:18 PM
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Doc Searls - Sunday, August 15, 2004 
8/15/2004; 3:35:34 PM (reads: 3924, responses: 7)
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As we've been saying 
| | As a professional journalist, here are two simple observations: writing an article for a magazine, or a newspaper is like painting; while blogging is taking photographs. The end product in both cases is beautiful, just the end results and reactions are slightly different. Secondly, blogging is a "self correcting" media. You screw up, and people let you know in real time. As someone who gets paid to write, think about how cool it is that you have group-intelligence at your disposal, and you are less likely to make a mistake in your day job. There are three folks — you know who you are — who post so regularly in the comments section, and always keep me honest. And think about it — if there was no blogging we would all be denied Elizabeth Spiers' wit, and Choire's early morning verbal whip-lashing. |
| | Agreed, except that the time isn't quite real, and that blogging isn't a medium. It's a Web-based form of journalism. And the Web isn't a medium, either; but rather a place, an environment, a collection of locations. Like a marketplace, or a commons. |
| | I was never comfortable calling nearly everything a medium, even when McLuhan was pioneering the practice. I don't expect to make much of a dent in the practice here, either, but I still like to try. |
| | All quibbles, of course. Om gets it. |
Can't somebody get the Matrix to work?
| | Go to United's site, click on Cars, and then on Avis' "book now" link at the top of the page. Try to rent anything other than the specials, which they probably offer because they can't otherwise unload the inventory. Can't be done. |
| | Try Budget and find out that it has no cars where you want to pick one up. |
| | Then try National. Select a pickup location that isn't an airport, from the search window that pops up from the "location" link above the fillout box in the form. Watch the system return a "Javascript error". Try again. Get a new javascript error that says you need to pick an airport location. Use the location link search thing to get a more accurate way of specifying the airport than the usual three-letter identification, if such a thing exists. Watch it tell you EWR is "NEWARK ARPT" and "EWRT01" in the two boxes it provides for return location where most other rental car service forms only provide one." Hit "continue" and watch the system return a new javascript error that says "no airport location selected". Try again with a different browser. This time get a "server error". |
| | Try Alamo. Go through the same routine as with National, which is owned by the same company, and shares locations as well. Succeed. |
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jt - You have NO idea who 'gets it'
8/15/2004; 9:04:38 PM (reads: 399, responses: 0)
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As a professional journalist, here are two simple observations: writing an article for a magazine, or a newspaper is like painting; while blogging is taking photographs.
The more accurate analogy, to those with eyes:
Writing is to painting as blogging is to 2-year-old painting with crayons.
DUH!!
The end product in both cases is beautiful, just the end results and reactions are slightly different.
Om wouldn't, by ANY CHANCE be trying to set up some meme's to explain why you all stamped BLOGGER on your foreheads, would he??
Naw...!!
Agreed, except that the time isn't quite real, and that blogging isn't a medium. It's a Web-based form of journalism. And the Web isn't a medium, either; but rather a place, an environment, a collection of locations. Like a marketplace, or a commons.
And you don't get it either, Doc. You've sold so much crap to THE PEOPLE THAT TRUSTED YOU, that you don't know who gets it and who is lamer 'n Smarty Jones.
That'd be you, on most ALL occasions.
You and Scoble think I'm attacking you?!? I'm trying to point out that you may NOT get caught, at the end, but YOU'LL KNOW.
And you can try all you want to convince yourself you DO KNOW, SO MUCH BETTER than everybody else, for example me, but...
So lemme try to help you some more. Teaching you or attacking you, whatever:
Blogging is JOKE JOURNALISM.
The Web is NOT a PLACE, unless you're more delusional that I've EVER BEEN.
And it's a commons because you've been lying all these years about how good "FREE" is, because you're getting your paycheck.
And, btw, that about the commons and free culture and all that YOUR BUDDY cooked up:
How's come ALL schools that I'm aware of are CUTTING FUNDS to educate the kiddies in the arts, grade school on up...?? Because IT AIN'T FREE, ya BLOGGIN BLOGGER.
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jt - And you wanna know about the Revolution??
8/15/2004; 9:17:07 PM (reads: 375, responses: 0)
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What you learned from Starplane...?
That's what get's me really torqued. It's like a real nasty form of what's going on in Iraq. That's what a revolution will be like, if you and Scoble and Om and all get your way.
You all have ANY understanding of this??
You'll say "no, that's not what we're bloggin talkin about here!!"
I'm TELLING you, that is the revolution you'll bring about. Iraq is mild. And you all keep saying the same s-h-i-do-do. Repeating each other's do-do... "BRING THE REVOLUTION ON...!!", and it's been coming, it's HERE, and then you say "MAN, THAZ some NASTY stuff..."
I don't claim to KNOW what I'm doing, always, but at least I do NOT "get it".
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Dave Winer - Re: Friday, August 13, 2004
8/15/2004; 9:20:19 PM (reads: 381, responses: 1)
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Doc Searls - Re: Friday, August 13, 2004
8/16/2004; 2:29:15 AM (reads: 463, responses: 0)
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Thanks.
I like Expedia, and Orbitz too. I just try to arrive at the rental car sites via United.com because I get extra miles. On some days, though, it's hardly worth it.
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Michele - Medium or Revolutionary community?
8/17/2004; 2:29:03 AM (reads: 546, responses: 2)
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Although I agree with you that blogging isn't a medium, I disagree with your view that it is web-based journalism.
Journalism implies that there is an attempt to get at or uncover the truth. Blogging, for many, serves no such noble purpose. In reading blogs I have found it to be an individual's attempt to search for "their" truth, and a venue where that search can be shared with those who might engage in that search by discussing similar or opposing views.
What say you Doc?
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Doc Searls - Re: Medium or Revolutionary community?
8/18/2004; 7:30:18 PM (reads: 648, responses: 0)
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Journalism implies that there is an attempt to get at or uncover the truth.
Agreed.
Blogging, for many, serves no such noble purpose. For many, perhaps; but not for all. There are countless print and broadcast journals that also have little interest in truth, and little nobility of purpose. That doesn't mean there's no noble journalism in print or on the air. There's plenty everywhere, if you look for it.
In reading blogs I have found it to be an individual's attempt to search for "their" truth, and a venue where that search can be shared with those who might engage in that search by discussing similar or opposing views. Is that's all you've found, keep looking. For one example, read Jay Rosen's Blogging is about making and changing minds, which was titled after a line I hardly remember writing, and which is packed with insight that's neither his nor mine but ours.
Also take a look at what John Seely Brown said about "distributed intelligence" in 1999, and see if a lot of what he says isn't what we're doing with blogging today.
The Blogs vs. (fill in the blank) story poses a false distinction, almost every time. What we need here is AND logic, not OR.
Or so it seems to me on a muggy afternoon on Long Island. Tomorrow in California, who knows? :-)
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