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Thanks for the pointer, as I'd not seen this yet. I've seen the diagram at the bottom, before, but not looked at the link in close detail. I'll do that.

Also, saw where Adam Curry pointed out RSS2iPod.. Man! With speach2text and text2speach, you'll be able to type in a radio show, or read one.. either way being great!!

That's a point I've been trying to get across, but poorly I guess. This stuff is here, now.

People are looking for how to use RSS2 as email? Your discussion area, the open-comments?? What else Are they, but public-email-inboxes?!?

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(Now, I ferget... Am I s'posed to e this, or post it to your public-inbox.. or blog it or try-ta sell it to a publisher...?...;-)

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I might say this as (less eloquent, of course): since RSS/Atom type files hold logs of events, and since these files are published such that they can be polled, people can use RSS/Atom + RSS/Atom readers to poll each other's logs.

The reason why I would say this is that I think terms like notification, subscription, and syndication don't literally apply to RSS/Atom, but are more figurative. With RSS/Atom: there are ways to do some kinds of notification, there is something kind-of like a subscription, and some of the less common uses (i.e., for the average RSS/Atom feed reader user) include a kind-of syndication.

What seems most different from email is that RSS/Atom is limited to polling--so it can make more (than email) of the types of interactions ("relationships") that thrive when that limit is present.

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First of all, RSS/Atom is a figment of a lotta people's imagination.

Second of all, "What seems most different from email is that RSS/Atom is limited to polling--so it can make more (than email) of the types of interactions ("relationships") that thrive when that limit is present."

This is entirely incorrect. Sort-a follows from above.

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I'm working on a startup[1] and we took the syndication route in the beginning. Using Atom as a transport mechanism to create a web of trusted collaborators. It actually works, but it's difficult to work with. So we turned around to create essentially the same thing but with a different kind of plumbing -- SMTP, POP, IMAP.

That gives you the power of your regular email client (that you use and are used to) and the power of peer-to-peer email with strong authentication. I have written a bit more in my blog[2]

[1] http://zappatanetworks.com

[2] http://blog.invisible.ch/archives/000290.html

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Btw, speaking of top-quality, that'd be re: the whole weblogs debacle.

Your "friends", Chris Locke and Shelley Powers and Jeneane Sessum, Dean Landsman and all them..

..well, Chris Locke may have extentuating circumstances, and I didn't read Landsman's piece, just a snippet. But the two are putrid pieces of shite. Bitch-and-moan.. bitch-and-moan.. just to feel pumped up about how they're "saving the world".

Pompous-ass mother fuckin' book-burner's, who'll delete anything that even has a whiff of truth in it. And if you don't think a "lady" can be a bully??

Ah well..

Same-ole same-o, and mebbe the below is just more-o-same-o...

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"A mail of any kind is welcomed either because the reader knows the writer, or because both share a social millieu within which greetings between two people who don't know each other are permitted or even encouraged."

My Mom was actually in the air, (on and re: inter-relating on 9-11,) over to Instanbul, Turkey. Long story, already told... She went on a tour of the Mediterranean, re-visiting the haunts of the Odyssey.

She made it back, and explained the Oddyssey as largely a story of Xenos, and that a people were known primarily, back in the day as today, by their Xenos. Which you describe here.

Which is a part-and-parcel of marketing.

"Mail is, essentially, personal. That it also carries invoices and other necessary institutional correspondence does not make it less so. Institutions (such as public utilities and government agencies) are social millieus too. As a form of mail, e-mail is also, essentially, personal. And when people correspond with any persistence, they don't just converse. They relate."

This points to the fact that institutions are personal-entities, yet in a non-personal way (just like people have both personal and non-personal ways!)...

As I'm reading the web-board of the discussion last year, I observe same as I did when I saw this diagram, initially: Rather, marketing is what falls between the two-tiers, as has always been done in the past.

The problem of "Each relationship is conducted on the supplier's terms" is due to the EULA's of Google and EVERYBODY else (BigCo and otherwise). Which can be changed at the supplier's discretion (normally with or without notification), uni-laterally.

My lame understanding of contract law is that nullifies the transactions from being contractual. But that's the way most activity on the Net is anyway, right?

Non-binding contractually, and/or/both/neither, or uni-laterally un-binding.

I think it works same, legally, as it does socially pretty much.. currently.

Point is, the balance between consumer and producer is in neither's hands entirely. Neither is the power, I would think it'd be obvious. Consumers get a whole lotta choice, about whether or how much to pay for ANY thing (except if it's "Open Source", and similar exceptions.. which is an entirely different tangent...)-;...

Btw, since "one-sided" relationships necessarily abound along with "authority/parental/control" type-a issues, there's a falsehood floating around that the primary issues are all real new things to deal with. http://www.searls.com/doc/didw2003keynote/source/2003didw_13.htm

In the graph above, there are two fundamental issues that I see amongst all this. Which is flexible privacy (which necessarily includes actual-compliance) and self-delegating feedback-mechanisms.

The latter of which is the bane of all humanity, not just marketers.

Btw, since "one-sided" relationships necessarily abound along with "authority/parental/control" type-a issues, there's a falsehood floating around that the primary issues are all real new things to deal with.

I got this far, Doc, but could go no further: http://www.searls.com/doc/didw2003keynote/source/2003didw_15.htm

As you see above, I’m not in favor of appears-to-be-free. As in the falsehood-meme of Free Culture.

Not buyin’ that bull.

But this is one area where I think actually-free is the only way it’ll work.

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Thaz the only edit I'll do on this-un..

..I gotta work, because I can't freeload off of other's kindness, or a spouse (don't have one) or an ex-spouse the way Shelley Powers does (last I heard anyway), and Jeneane Sessum attempts to here.

Bitch-and-moan..

..bitch-and-moan....

Btw, if you wanna do RageBoy a disservice, tell him there's a vast difference between introspection and narcissism. And if you're disconnected from yourself, try exercise, eating and sleeping right..

..simple things.

And Chris Locke can be more creative without RageBoy's "assistance", anyhoo...!!

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