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Friday, January 23, 2004
started 1/23/2004; 12:39:44 AM - last post 1/23/2004; 3:31:55 PM

Doc Searls - Friday, January 23, 2004

1/23/2004; 4:39:44 AM (reads: 4759, responses: 5)

Demicracy

Watching Apocalypse Now Redux in surround sound, reading Robert Kuttner's America as a One Party State, in The American Prospect:

Today's hard right seeks total dominion. It's packing the courts and rigging the rules. The target is not the Democrats but democracy itself.

Micah Sifry calls it "The single most important and scary article you will rad this month."

Hot off the stove

Lessons from the Campaign Pressure Cooker is a brief report on my visit with the technical staff at the DeanForAmerica (DFA) headquarters in Vermont last weekend. It's also my latest SuitWatch newsletter. It takes a look under the lid of the pressure cooker over full heat, right before the Iowa caucuses. I'll be visiting other campaigns in the coming weeks, for a longer report in the June issue of Linux Journal.

Mail migration

Among other things, I'm trying to move mail from one client and platform to another: specifically from Eudora 6 on OS X to anything (probalby Evolution) on Linux. I'm told that the mail in Eudora is mbox, but Evolution doesn't seem to like it.

I'm not fixed on using Evolution. I'm just trying to come up with something that works. Any export/import suggestions?

Meanwhile a lot of mail seems to be faling throuth the cracks. Bear with me.

[Later...] Platform migration isn't just technical. It's like flying from one planet to another by changing ships in outer space. Helpful contextual funnies: Ubergeek Chris Hill's Switch to Linux and Switch to Mac. Funniest shit on the Web.

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Morten W. Petersen - Re: Friday, January 23, 2004

1/23/2004; 5:27:38 AM (reads: 403, responses: 1)

Mozilla Thunderbird is coming along nicely, and it's got support for Eudora mail migration. Here's an article that describes the migration steps if you need it:

http://www.nidelven-it.no/articles/introduction_to_thunderbird_6

And here's the download page:

http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/

HTH,

Morten

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Mark Turner - Evolution and Mozilla Mail under Linux

1/23/2004; 3:29:30 PM (reads: 413, responses: 0)

Doc,

Skip Evolution under Linux. It's still not ready for prime time. Mozilla mail is my choice after trying for months to make Evo work and giving up.

I had a consulting customer call me in a panic the other night when his email disappeared. He was using Evolution to view 11k+ messages. Evo would begin to read the messages, then inexplicably die, and then TAKE ALL HIS MESSAGES WITH IT! Rather than exit with an error, it simply ate his email. His IMAP folder was stripped clean. Not cool.

Fortunately, I had set up a backup script, so I was able to restore his email. I then told him to ditch Evo in favor of Mozilla Mail, which had no trouble at all reading in his messages.

Mark Turner (www.markturner.net) N4JMT

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David Douglas - Re: Friday, January 23, 2004

1/23/2004; 4:49:21 PM (reads: 383, responses: 0)

I recently did a Eudora 6 on Windows to Mac Mail on OS X. Three main issues: 1) translating linefeeds, 2) converting mailboxes, and 3) filename extensions (Eudora sticks .mbx and such on lots of stuff in Windows). First step is to convert the mailboxes. I ended up using Thunderbird (or Mozilla) as an intermediary. It was the only thing I could get Eudora to translate to without major lossage. (I'd also recommend just using it as your new mail program) This worked for several hundred mailboxes. The next step was to translate linefeeds. There's lots of things you can do from a command line, but if you aren't in a hacking mood you can use something like 'flip' (http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~craig/utility/flip/). You may have to do some folder name cleanup, but possibly not since everything is on unix-based systems. That should get you to the spot that you can move the files to another system and import to the new mailer. Good luck!

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Ross Rader - Re: Friday, January 23, 2004

1/23/2004; 7:31:55 PM (reads: 399, responses: 0)

Doc - take the plunge - move to IMAP!!!!

That way you can pretty much use any client on any platform whenever you want. Its a liberating experience.

Do it.

You'll like it ;)

Cheers,

-rwr

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Ross Rader - Re: Friday, January 23, 2004

1/23/2004; 7:33:22 PM (reads: 470, responses: 0)