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Doc Searls - Wednesday, October 22, 2003 
10/22/2003; 12:29:24 PM (reads: 11579, responses: 13)
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Out on a libertarian limb 
| | Here in Britain, of course, the BBC has one great advantage over PBS in America -- the freedom from such political pressure that is afforded by the annual license fee that TV owners pay to fund BBC programming. This ensures that the Beeb is far less vulnerable to political pressures than PBS, which must get its appropriations approved every year from Congress. |
| | The BBC is supported instead by an annual tax of £116 (US$195) paid by every British household that owns one or more televisions. The tax raises as much as $4.2 billion for the BBC every year and nobody in government can reapportion it or redistribute it. Thus the BBC, unlike every other public-broadcasting system in the world, is not only well funded but also well protected from politicians. |
| | Every ten years, though, there's a charter review in which the budget and performance of the BBC is re-assessed. The next one is in 2006 and as the BBC is one of the most influential institutions in British life, the upcoming review will be one of the nation's most profound political battles. As media maven Michael Wolff puts it, it's all "about getting a piece of the pie. Or at least it's a fight about Murdoch's piece of the pie." |
| | Not surprisingly, then, Rupert Murdoch and his political cronies have begun to lay the groundwork for an all-out assault on the BBC and the annual fee. While they will probably not be able to eliminate it, their endless attacks, slanted polls, and political pressuring may well result in a lessening of the amount the BBC gets annually, thus weakening the BEEB as a 'public' competitor to all private interests, but especially to the multi-channel Murdochian news and entertainment network BSkyB. |
| | All this must be viewed through the prism of what otherwise appears the oddest of couplings: Rupert and Tony Blair. Blair first became Prime Minister owing in large measure to the endorsements of the traditionally right wing Murdoch press. It now seems apparent that Blair made a devilish pact years ago to garner Murdoch's support, despite their obvious political differences, and Murdoch is now collecting his payback on the instalment plan. |
| | (No links, which is a bummer.) |
| | The Corporation for Public Broadcasting (search ), which funds NPR, gets a billion dollars a year in taxpayer money. Why is the government allowing a far-left outfit like NPR, which is obviously biased, to operate on taxpayer money? |
| | So I'm wondering now. What billion dollars are we talking about here? And how much is NPR being funded by CPB, or by taxpayer money at all? |
| | Bill O'Reilly busted Terry Gross's chops for not doing her homework. Now I've gotta wonder: did he do his? |
| | According to the CPB's own spreadsheet on the matter, the corporation received $362.8 million in fiscal 2003, and will receive $380 million for 2004 and $390 for 2005. While these appropriations apparently account for 100% of CPB's income, its handouts to public broadcasting as a whole ($300 million in 2000, mostly for television) account for only 12% of the $2.2 billion whole. The largest percentage contributor is "membership," at 25.6%. In fact, CPB is fourth after membership, business and state governments. |
| | As for NPR, income from the CPB and similar outfits (National Science Foundation, National Endowments for the Arts & Humanities...) "typically represent only 2% of revenues." |
| | Meanwhile, the NPR annual report (an annoyingly huge .pdf I won't bother linking to) boasts about huge increases in listenership. |
| | Here's another fact that doesn't often get noticed. Though nonprofit in nature, Public TV and radio stations are still in the business of selling their programming to viewers and listeners. They buy that programming from PBS, NPR, PRI and other sources. In other words, PBS and NPR are producers and first tier wholesalers. They own no stations, though they sell programming to thousands of them. |
| | In fact public radio stations are hugely advantaged in the new media market (the one fortified by the Internet). They no longer have to depend on boring and pathetic fundraising marathons to raise money. They can make it easy on the Net, with PayPal or any one of a number of direct-payment options. |
| | Most of the stations have improved in this respect, but most sites remain woefully complicated affairs. |
| | Anyway, I'm in favor of public broadcasting -- especially public radio -- doing exactly what O'Reilly suggests. Get off the public dole completely. If you're down to just 2%, finish off the job. Turn to listeners and viewers. Operate in the real marketplace. You already have a huge advantage over commercial broadcasters, thanks to the fact that your listeners and viewers are customers and not just "consumers." |
| | And let your listeners and viewers get involved in production. Embrace audio blogging. Embrace local video production. Wake up and smell the content, dudes. There's a huge pile of it out there. You don't have to get all of it from NPR and PRI. And I'll bet you can get a lot of it cheaper than from those bigtime sources, too. |
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| | Yesterday O'Reilly gloated over NPR Ombudsman Jeffrey Dvorkin's rebuke of Gross and Fresh Air, issued both for the late hit and for legitimizing constant (and, frankly, correct) accusations by many on the Right that NPR is essentially a Lefty outfit: |
| | ... I agree with the listeners who complained about the tone of the interview: Her questions were pointed from the beginning. She went after O'Reilly using critical quotes from the Franken book and a New York Times book review. That put O'Reilly at his most prickly and defensive mode, and Gross was never able to get him back into the interview in an effective way. This was surprising because Terry Gross is, in my opinion, one of the best interviewers anywhere in American journalism. |
| | Although O'Reilly frequently resorts to bluster and bullying on his own show, he seemed unable to take her tough questions. He became angrier as the interview went along. But by coming across as a pro-Franken partisan rather than a neutral and curious journalist, Gross did almost nothing that might have allowed the interview to develop. |
| | By the time the interview was about halfway through, it felt as though Terry Gross was indeed "carrying Al Franken's water," as some listeners say. It was not about O'Reilly's ideas, or his attitudes or even about his book. It was about O'Reilly as political media phenomenon. That's a legitimate subject for discussion, but in this case, it was an interview that was, in the end, unfair to O'Reilly. |
| | The "Empty Chair" Interview |
| | Finally, an aspect of the interview that I found particularly disturbing: It happened when Terry Gross was about to read a criticism of Bill O'Reilly's book from People magazine. Before Gross could read it to him for his reaction, O'Reilly ended the interview and walked out of the studio. She read the quote anyway. |
| | That was wrong. O'Reilly was not there to respond. It's known in broadcasting as the "empty chair" interview, and it is considered an unethical technique and should not be used on NPR. |
| | I believe the listeners were not well served by this interview. It may have illustrated the "cultural wars" that seem to be flaring in the country. Unfortunately, the interview only served to confirm the belief, held by some, in NPR's liberal media bias. |
| | I¹d start with a weird fact: an interview that winds up ³illustrating the cultural wars² through struggle, tension and walk-out (which you can hear in the tape) is thought by NPR to be a bad thing, worthy of self-censure. The same result is thought by Bill O¹Reilly to be a good thing, worthy of self-celebration. |
| | O¹Reilly and his public profile do not fit any known category in network journalism — the journalism of the Dupont Awards , let us say. He¹s a confusing figure to confront in an interview setting like Fresh Air, but not because his methods are obscure. It¹s the opposite. He brings forcefully to the surface and makes explicit what had been buried for so long in the journalist¹s presentation of self: a political identity in the one who brings us the news — proudly so. |
| | Proudly political, you say? Yeah, and it¹s no insult. Whatever else may be said about him, O'Reilly is someone who speaks his mind, and takes positions. A guy who, as a commentator himself and questioner of others, stands up for certain values in American life that (he thinks) don¹t get defended enough. O'Reilly is the anti-anchorman because he dispenses with the broadcast professional's cool demeaner, something Jennings, Brokaw, Rather, Bernard Shaw, Jim Lehrer, Judy Woodruff and countless others have never done... |
| | Network journalism had long ago decided it didn¹t need that kind of tension‹anchormen who join the national argument‹and so it promoted to the top spot only masters of the ³cooler² style, which became the standard. O¹Reilly (who can do cool when called for) does not anchor the evening newscast on Fox, but he is its leading figure. The face of the brand is a talker with a booming public voice, a thinking person who has convictions, and whose convictions are part of his news persona. O'Reilly is both a news person doing a commentary program on Fox, and an protagonist in the public arena in constant struggle with Fox¹s political enemies. |
| | There¹s never been a face-of-the-brand in network news who is deliberately styled hot (in McLuhan¹s terms.) O'Reilly blows up a lot. He is wired for argument and controversy because he is willing to fight the spin of others with righteous spin of his own. And he has another advantage, for which he does not get enough notice. He's willing to make fans by having active enemies. Indeed, making enemies is basic to his appeal, and that's where Terry Gross and the rest of the establishment press factor themselves in. They supply what O'Reilly's genre — resentment news — demands... |
| | Those in big league journalism trying to get "tough" with O'Reilly are going to lose the encounter until they realize that his press think outdoes theirs. His has a political imaginary built into it and theirs is: we don¹t do politics. So he has many more ways to win. O'Reilly blew up Fresh Air, got an exciting show out of it that night, and then he won the ombudsman¹s verdict at his rival's shop. Game, set, match (culture, politics, ratings) to the Factor. |
| | Terry Gross went into battle with some outdated press thinking. She assumed that the interview, for all its obvious tensions, took place in the general domain of information gathering, and that good information flows to us from holding a public figure¹s feet to the fire, asking the tough questions. You can almost hear the Fresh Air producers discussing it, "Yeah, but no one¹s ever pinned him down onŠ." Or something like that. It probably never crossed Terry Gross's mind that the interview would be about making enemies more obvious — and the enemies are the information. O'Reilly thought so going in. |
| | Jay goes on to cite The Paranoid Style in American Politics, by Richard Hofstadter, from the November 1964 issue of Harper's Magazine. It's an astonishing piece, explaining the appeal of right-wing talk broadcasting two decades in advance of its appearance. |
| | Sourcing Hofstadter, Jay suggests that O'Reilly has (along with Rush Limbaugh and others like him), in a paranoid fashion, cast as enemies groups with whom he has grievances — as did McCarthy with Communists, Populists with "gold gamblers" and Puritans with Catholics. In the process O'Reilly has used the natural box office appeal of Us vs. Them to great advantage. |
| | O'Reilly frames his paranoia, as do all of Hofstadter's examples, in terms of war. In O'Reilly's case it's a cultural one. (And he said so, right on Fresh Air.) That's why it was an extreme tactical mistake on Terry Gross' part to come out swinging against him. She fit his frame perfectly, and he punched her — and the rest of public broadcasting — right through the canvas. Now Terry Gross is on O'Reilly's trophy wall as a poster lefty for public broadcasting. If I were NPR's ombudsman, I'd be pissed too. |
| | Looking back on the event, I find myself thinking there are three approaches to journalism represented here. One is the "cool" approach of traditional journalism, including network broadcasting (in which NPR is no exception). One is the "hot" approach of talk radio, which has since expanded to TV sports networks and now Fox TV. The third is the engaged approach of weblogging. What we're doing here may be partisan in many cases, but it is also inconclusive. Blogging is about making and changing minds. It's less about scoring points against perceived enemies (with certain exceptions, of course) than about scaffolding new and better understandings of one subject or another. |
| | Which is why I changed my mind today about what went down between Terry & Bill a week ago. |
| | Here's an unrelated request to Jay and others who draft their blogs in Word or something like it. Please, please, please turn off the curly quotes and apostophes. Use straight-up ones. When some of us copy and paste what you write, we need to go back and hand-correct all those things, or they'll show up as weird characters in our own quoted sections. |
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Brian Hess - Re: Wednesday, October 22, 2003
10/22/2003; 1:12:37 PM (reads: 805, responses: 0)
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With regard to this message, I feel strongly both ways. :-)
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Lisa Williams - Gross and O'Reilly
10/22/2003; 1:35:41 PM (reads: 758, responses: 2)
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The thing I found most interesting about the Gross/O'Reilly interview was O'Reilly's admission that his father frequently hit him for what O'Reilly describes as "misdemeanors," and this stopped only when at age 17 he retaliated and beat his father until his father cried uncle. The phenomena of forming a violent personality (using either verbal or physical attacks, in O'Reilly's case, laudably, only words) and the significance of what's called a "violent personal revolt" against an abuser has been widely studied. I blogged here about how O'Reilly's "attack mode" fits in fairly neatly with these studies.
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Dave Winer - Re: Gross and O'Reilly
10/22/2003; 1:58:13 PM (reads: 846, responses: 1)
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At first I thought this must have been an interview between Tim O'Reilly and Mathew Gross (blogmaster for Dean).
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lou josephs - Re: Wednesday, October 22, 2003
10/22/2003; 3:15:51 PM (reads: 835, responses: 1)
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Fox talk radio, Tony Snow bailed from this Fox News Sunday gig to host a radio gig.
How much more right wing talk can we take?
RDS, remember that? Clear Channel has added it's major market stations to converting to RDS... That means you have to buy a pricey grundig to pick up the rds signal. Why is it that digital conversion sure smells like AM stereo.
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Doc Searls - Re: Wednesday, October 22, 2003
10/22/2003; 4:17:10 PM (reads: 896, responses: 0)
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Interesting about Snow.
As for RDS, it's been in about half of the cars I've rented lately. Ford Focus among them.
I've been an RDS fan ever since they came up with it in Europe and here in the U.S. we immediately perverted it to a dumbed-down "RDBS" standard that nobody followed. Now that single owners hold so many stations, and so many stations have so many translators and secondary slave signals in outlying markets, it would make complete sense for the NPRs and Clear Channels of the world to institute euro-style RDS on the transmit side. Not sure the current round of car radios would handle the hand-off aspect of the system (whereby, say, your receiver in San Francisco would shift from KFOG on 104.5 to its other station in the South Bay on 97.7, while the radio just said "KFOG"); but it might work in the next round.
Good source material at the RDS Forum.
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ike stephenson - Fox
10/22/2003; 4:24:58 PM (reads: 745, responses: 2)
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Isn't Fox about changing minds?
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Doc Searls - Re: Fox
10/22/2003; 5:29:43 PM (reads: 808, responses: 0)
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Fox is about making money by telling stories, and they do that exceptionally well. If minds are changed in the process, fine; but that's not fundamentally what they're about.
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Nick Johantgen - Re: Gross and O'Reilly
10/22/2003; 9:38:21 PM (reads: 924, responses: 0)
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I listned to the inteview and thought O'Relly was the one looking for a fight. He attached Terry Gross early on over the Franken thing but she was able to work the interview back onto the book. Perhaps she shouldn't have gone back to the controversial issues but he knew what was coming in regards to the other quote she was going to read, became angry, and bailed so he wouldn't have to take the heat. I'm not a journalist but I enjoyed hearing the quote spoken to the empty chair. I don't think he has any right to fume; he just doesn't have a sense of humor. Besides, interviews are supposed to be entertaining.
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Nathan Dintenfass - Re: Wednesday, October 22, 2003
10/23/2003; 1:41:54 AM (reads: 809, responses: 1)
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I'm confused Doc -- you changed your mind because you feel that Terry Gross made a tactical error in allowing O'Reilly to paint her a "liberal"? She should have instead given a softball interview, which would have undoubtedly caused O'Reilly to declare for all to hear that NPR is "fair and balanced"?
When she read the piece after the tape ended it felt to me like she was simply satisfying the curiosity of the listener -- after she told O'Reilly that she wanted to read the quote it would have been a tease to then deny the listener the satisfaction of knowing what the quote was. That O'Reilly chose to leave the interview is his fault, not hers. That he couldn't take what he dishes is hardly a reason that Gross should be chastised here. Granted, I'm biased in thinking that O'Reilly is a destructive force in the mass discourse, but I fail to see how asking him to answer for some of his more vituperative statements is overly combative.
The direct comparison of the Franken and O'Reilly interviews hardly seems fair. Franken is a comedian -- his book is satire. Politically sharp satire, but satire nonetheless. O'Reilly, on the other hand, offers no irony in his show or his book -- he is simply right (and all who disagree are either wrong or "spinning"). It seems quite appropriate to give O'Reilly a tougher interview in response to his tough style. If Franken did get a softball interview (and it's quite valid to think he did) with Gross, that is not a reason O'Reilly shouldn't be asked to answer the tough questions.
I agree with your original statement: "If he'd held his temper and answered the rest of her questions as well as he'd answered her previous ones, he would have left the listeners with a lot more to respect."
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Doc Searls - Re: Wednesday, October 22, 2003
10/23/2003; 5:13:35 AM (reads: 915, responses: 0)
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The ombudsman's critique (which now seems to have disappeared... curious) put in words the discomfort I had felt during and after the interview.
Terry Gross usually does an excellent job of probing without aggression, of being curious without an agenda beyond bringing fresh responses out of her subject. She did that, I thought, when she asked O'Reilly which of his opinoins might surprise people. She didn't do that when she kept trying, repeatedly, to make him defend himself against accusations leveled by Franken and others.
I don't agree that it was appropriate to give the tough guy a tough interview -- or that being tough was the only way to approach the challenge of having such a prickly beast for a guest on the show. And leveraging Al Franken and a negative People review was probably not the best way to probe a guest author who's out to promote his new book. Why not probe more of the interesting stuff in the book, as she did with O'Reilly's revelation that he once came to fisticuffs with his father.
Jay Rosen suggested that going on the attack was exactly the wrong way to deal with O'Reilly, because it would be playing his game. I agree. Terry's approach after awhile seemed less curious than prosecutorial. It seemed out of character. So did her apparent nervousness. In any case, it went poorly for both sides. But walking out O'Reilly clearly lost no points with an audience that mostly didn't like him anyway, while he won big with his own audience.
FWIW, I don't believe for a second when O'Reilly says he had nothing to do with the Fox lawsuit to block the publication of Franken's book. Any good lawyer would know that the suit didn't have a chance. Clearly that was a case of a network coddling a pompous star with a huge temper.
Anyway, I mostly wanted to agree with Jay about the two forms of mass media journalism we have today -- one hot and one cold, one passionate and the other dispassionate, one for which "fair and balanced" is a slogan, and another for which it's a principle. I also wanted to suggest that there's a third form of journalism emerging: the one we're engaging in now, trying to understand each other a little better, and to wring more sense out of an event like this one.
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Dan Ancona - no no no no!
10/23/2003; 7:07:55 PM (reads: 884, responses: 0)
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We need more public broadcasting in this country, not less. Lots more. Public broadcasting is part of this lost realm of the public good that we've been disastrously moving away from for the past thirty years. Everyone benefits from it, even people who don't listen to it, because we all benefit from a public that's informed by journalism that both has serious reach and isn't subjugated to the profit motive.
Changing minds is absolutely a part of Fox's purpose, because they're changing people's minds so that they can make ever more money. Look at the recent study about how Fox viewers are more misinformed than anyone! It's pathetic, a complete betrayal of the purpose of media in a free society.
But back to the public broadcast thing - this is a classic, classic free rider problem. There's only one way to equitably fix it - go the other direction, take the 2% up to 98%. I like the BBC funding model fine, a tax on teevees. That's an excellent model and they should fight like hell to keep it and tell Murdoch to take a hike. If Blair caves on this, he's a wimp.
The web and blogging can make only the tiniest little dents in the corporate media empires, at least for now. We just don't have anything remotely like the reach that corporate media has.
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Phil Wolff - Re: Wednesday, October 22, 2003
10/25/2003; 11:09:47 PM (reads: 840, responses: 0)
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Bill O'Reilly can't spin his glass jaw.
There are lots of things I admire about Bill O'Reilly, the Fox News talk show host. But he's incapable of taking the same kind of interview he dishes out. Go on his show if you want to be interrupted, verbally abused, have your facts and opinions twisted and spun to fit Bill's world view, your thoughts interrupted, your words taken out of context.
Terry Gross, his Fresh Air interviewer, tossed Bill easy lobs so he could set the record straight, a prelude to exploring the man and his vision. He never let Terry get where she was going. He started calling her names, invoking grand conspiracies of public radio and the liberal left, and refused to be responsive or accountable for his own statements and accusations. In his eyes, anyone with the temerity to question his record is a liar out to get him. He walked off the show.
He may be a hard hitting host but he has a glass jaw. When he doesn't control the venue and he isn't surrounded by sycophants, he's just not up for the job. I'm with Andrew in hoping to learn more about the guy, but he's his own worst enemy.
Again, being interviewed is a different skill than interviewing. Maybe Bill and I can take the same class.
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