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Tuesday, May 20, 2003
started 5/20/2003; 12:21:01 AM - last post 5/22/2003; 3:06:57 AM
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Doc Searls - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 
5/20/2003; 4:21:01 AM (reads: 9777, responses: 7)
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Follow along. Or contribute. Or both. Whatever. Welcome to DIY journalism, folks.
| | Here's another suggestion for the Big Papers. Approach Google and Overture (whose advertising business is running in the $billion/year range, all on the Web) with exactly the problem we've been describing thorugh this whole Printwash thread. Tell them you're willing to consider opening the archives if it makes economic sense, and want to explore advertising deals involving shared revenues. See what happens. |
| | I'm betting it will make Dialog and Lexis-Nexis very unhappy, and the Web a much less noisy place. |
| | [Later...] And the above, by the way, is my answer to Sheila's challenge. (Which includes this revelation: Archive sales pay for the papers' Web sites.) |
| | By the way, I would love to see a Google search where the top results for "Printwash" are all stories in major papers. Wouldn't bother me a bit to see my part in the whole memefest relegated to someplace far below the fold. Where, speaking of noise, it currently is anyway. In fact, it's so deeply washed that Google doesn't seem to know a damn thing about the subject. Howzat for A-list influence? |
Your kid is not an empty storage container, ready to be filled with curricular content
| | Stories like this creep me out, even if they say Primary school testing and targets are to be streamlined to make exams for seven-year-olds less formal and part of a wider teacher-led assessment yada yada. |
| | Testing programs are not about educating kids. They're about perpetuating the bell curve. As a kid who spent most of his formative years at the back ends of nearly every bell curve the system could throw at him, and who regarded his school experience as a 13-year prison sentence that commenced at age 5, I can tell you there isn't a damn thing in any top-down government-mandated educational testing program that answers any kind of market demand from kids themselves who are born with extravagantly unique souls, each with its own agenda and an endless series of questions (there's your real demand) for the purposes of its own education. Few of those questions are addressed by official curricula, testing programs, or even compulsory school attendance. |
It's positive example time
| | The blog train has been delivering clues to the newspaper publishing business for several days now, but we don't have a sign that the biz is taking delivery. Not that I'm aware of anyway. |
| | Better yet, can we name any papers (other than the Guardian) with CMS (content management systems) that publish stories with their final URLs and expose them to search engine crawlers? Let's give those papers their props. And do the same for any others who come forward and say "Hey, it's a purely economic choice, and we are fully aware that walling off our old stories washes them out of search engine results." |
| | Maybe we should urge some organization to start giving out awards for Cluefulness Above And Beyond the Call of Habit. And maybe we should start by coming up with some candidates. Got any? |
| | Meanwhile, here's an inventory of fresh clue sources on the matter: Jon, Richard, Bernie (with a huge pile of links here), Ed, Lawrence, Micah, Flemming, Adam, Tim, Adam (wickedly pointing to the NYTimes.com robots.txt file)... |
| | On the economics front, Tim says ear in mind that these are businesses. They'll make the move when, and only when, the money says to. Abstractions like Web Citizenship are not part of the equation. |
| | That's why I've tried to limit the argument to the real trade-offs involved. This has nothing to do with "citizenship." It has everything to do with the facts of publishing life, where the Web is a larger and larger context. Newspapers and magazines make some money by selling old stories through Lexis-Nexis and Dialog. But they make most of their money from advertising and subscriptions, which might both increase if archives are exposed to the Web. |
| | So sure: Make it a bottom-line choice. Just factor in all the variables, one of which is the cost of blowing off search engines which pretty much amounts to blowing off the Web. |
| | [Later...] Okay, some results: St. Petersburg Times. (Thanks to Derek for that one.) Also Reuters, Yahoo News, CNN... (Although I've noticed that old links to some of those often tend to reach 404s.) |
Celeblogging
| | Adam reports Our italian wedding made all 4 major gossip mags! |
| | In case ya'll don't think we have Beautiful People around here, go look. Yikes. |
| | Here's the more sedate moblog. |
| | Meanwhile, congratulations to Adam and Patricia. |
PhiloJo
| | Or not quite. Because, at this point, "stunt philosophy" is still a Googasm or whatever the fuck we called it (awhile back, when it was all the rage) when a search for two words brings one result. Let's see how long that lasts. |
Earth to Earth! Come in, Earth!
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Peter Schweitzer - Re: Monday, May 19, 2003 
5/20/2003; 1:58:20 PM (reads: 620, responses: 2)
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Doc, I always found the tests themselves to be learning experiences. Let me repeat that for emphasis: I found tests themselves to be learning experiences.
I know it's popular and trendy to rebel against everything and everyone associated with the word "public" or "government", but please know that some people actually do learn in school, even if they also learn at home and at other times and places. What I disagree with is the use of the test scores as an excuse to bash the schools. In our state (Virginia) the political discourse is heavily slanted against all public works, and the public schools are, naturally, a favorite target of the right wingers. But the schools have done marvelous work with my children, a testament not only to the individuals who worked directly with them, but also to the unfashionable administrators who support them.
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Doc Searls - Re: Monday, May 19, 2003 
5/20/2003; 4:48:36 PM (reads: 758, responses: 1)
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Here's what I learned from standadized tests...
- That it's possible to read and write just fine and yet score at both in percentiles between zero and two.
- That without parents who believe you're smart while the school doesn't, you'll get shoved off to the "vocational" high school to learn car repair and other "industrial" skills.
- That school is sports and such variables as intellegence and achievement are all about scores.
- That there is a moral order in school, ranging from bad to average to good to better and best.
- That good students get rewarded and bad students get punished.
Among other things.
That said, I regard teaching as one of the highest callings among all the professions; and I believe great teachers and supportive adminstrators make all the difference in the world. That they have to suffer from the politics that surround them (and it's flat-out brutal) is one of the great persistent tragedies of the last century and more.
So here's a toast to Pastor Schmidt, wherever he is, for being the first teacher who ever encouraged me to write.
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Hanan Cohen - How a Story Gets Started 
5/20/2003; 6:15:01 PM (reads: 1105, responses: 0)
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The most common way for a story to get started is for mainstream media to comment about the world of blogs, Google, websites, or the development of some new facet of the Internet. Of those stories we traced, the least common way for a story to get started is for a blogger to start a new topic, although this was the case in two stories of the 45 we studied.
When a story starts in mainstream media which cuts across blogger opinion, it is likely that a blogosphere story gets started on three or four blogs almost at the same time and sometimes even more. Then within a day, the story becomes more focused with each of the initiators acknowledging the other comments on the other blogs and adding further to the story.
Read more in:
http://www.microdoc-news.info/blogger/2003/05/20.html#a636
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lou josephs - Re: Monday, May 19, 2003 
5/20/2003; 7:30:14 PM (reads: 573, responses: 0)
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Rick Ellis - Re: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 
5/21/2003; 8:37:11 PM (reads: 570, responses: 0)
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We publish all of our stuff with static URL's, which helps explain our success with search engines (Google included). While we're not going to be the top choice in the larger generic terms such as "TV Reviews," we rule in the more specific choices.
Curiously, however, Google News refuses to include our stuff. They've had a variety of reasons, none of them particularly relevant. We've even altered the presentation of some of our pages per their suggestions, and they ultimately just come up with another excuse to say "No." I'm not sure if it's because they somehow think we're a weblog (even though it's VERY obvious we're not), or because in some prior life, I alienated one of the honchos at Google. Regardless, it's very frustrating.
Our relationship with blogs is also hit-and-miss. We do have a couple of blog-like sections of the site, but it's really not our primary function. So weblogs only tend to find us when we put out a piece that gets so much press that they find us through links from more traditional sites.
One instructive situation for us was a series of pieces I did in February on the reasons why Phil Donahue was fired from MSNBC. I had an exclusive story, and really got a lot of attention from the mainstream press. A couple of mentions in the Washington Post, the Nation, a score of other newspapers...just a lot of traffic from a lot of new places.
Interestingly, most of the wblogs who wrote about the articles linked to the mainstream press coverage of my article. So I found lots of references along the lines of "The Chicago Tribune reports that AllYourTV.com gained access to some memos...." It was as if people couldn't be bothered to spend two minutes finding the original source.
This whole discussion of traffic and links and all is a lot more complex than just asking newspapers to open up their archives. But suspect that's what we'll all be talking about. Since it reinforces the average blogger's preconceived notions about the cluelessness of the mainstream media.
Rick Ellis
www.AllYourTV.com
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Matthew Thomas - Googasms 
5/22/2003; 7:06:57 AM (reads: 524, responses: 0)
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adamsj - Re: Monday, May 19, 2003 
5/22/2003; 1:32:59 PM (reads: 812, responses: 0)
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Doc,
I don't think you learned any of those things from standardized tests. You learned them from a school system which wasn't optimized for teaching. Standardized tests (more accurately, the use to which such tests are put) are only a symptom, not a cause.
Granted, I speak as someone who had the opposite experience from you--I can't recall a standardized test (other than the ASVAB) where I ever scored below the top two or three percent, and I was usually in the top percentile.
What I had to learn was that I was not as smart as the tests made me appear...a hard lesson, though salutary in the long run.
Now, despite the tests being more an effect than a root cause, taking them out would be a major advance--I'm convinced the educational system is not civilized enough to use standardized tests in a fair way--but some other idiocy would quickly take their place.
I'm currently in a race with my beautiful wife to see whether I can reach my forty-fifth birthday before she gives birth to our first child, so this is a matter of life and death importance to us.
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