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started 2/1/2003; 10:31:55 AM - last post 2/2/2003; 2:11:45 PM
Doc Searls - Saturday, February 1, 2003  blueArrow
2/1/2003; 2:31:55 PM (reads: 6012, responses: 10)
Spacing out 
 Columbia was the first (and for now the last) shuttle launched into space.
 The Hubble Space Telescope was launched on Columbia. (Woops, Discovery. Columbia carried the Chandra X-Ray observatory. Here's a photo of Sagittarius A, the supermassive black hole at the Milky Way's center.)
 The remaining shuttles are Endeavor, Discovery and Atlantis.
 NASA considered mothballing Columbia in 2001.
 NASA's servers are being hit pretty hard right now, clearly.
 My guess is that the current International Space Station crew will return on a Soyuz flight and there will be no further launches for at least two years. (Here's the current schedule, which is now on hold.)
 This will delay all kinds of stuff that depends on shuttle flights, though the ISS will be hardest hit. Space tech in general will be slowed down.
 I'm taking the kid to the beach. For more, check with Dave. He's all over this thing.
 
 
The second lesson 
 I was going to get up and watch the Shuttle re-enter the atmosphere this morning, but forgot to set the alarm.
 Instead, a few minutes ago, I got a call from my sister, whose voice sounded just like it did when she called before dawn on September 11, 2001.
 Now I'm sitting here with a six year old boy who loves aviation and space travel, talking about what happened to Columbia, and how something so adventurous and wonderful could end so badly.
 It's been almost exactly seventeen years since the last Shuttle disaster. Not long afterwards I wrote Accidental Lessons: Reflections on the Challenger Tragedy.
 I'm sure we'll learn from this one too.

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Fred Grott - Re: Friday, January 31, 2003  blueArrow
2/1/2003; 2:43:30 PM (reads: 675, responses: 0)
Doc it appears that insulating foam collision with heat tile son the wing at liftoff might have had a role to play ..send out prayers to the families..apparently the shuttle broke up on re-entry..

The picture of beak up is linked in my short post:

http://www.freeroller.net/page/shareme/20030201#shuttle_lost_in_landing

Columbia was the oldest shuttle in the fleet..

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lou josephs - Re: Friday, January 31, 2003  blueArrow
2/1/2003; 2:55:22 PM (reads: 1904, responses: 1)
I covered the first and 7th launches of Columbia, the first launch photos are on the wall in my office. The oldest shuttle is no more. Implications: 1. 3 people are still on board the International Space Station 2. No shuttles will fly for at least 2 to 3 years 3. We will be relying on the Russian's to support ISS The book Martin Caidin wrote called the "cape" certainly rings true today, as when it was first published 20 years ago.

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David Brown - Re: Friday, January 31, 2003  blueArrow
2/1/2003; 3:52:07 PM (reads: 943, responses: 0)
NASA has been recently working on contingency plans for what to do if Russia can't meet their support requirements for the ISS. It is highly unlikely that they could afford to support it on their own.

I would assume that we need to put the ISS into a parking orbit, and take the Soyez back down to earth.

What a horrible day for exploration.

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Ross Rader - Re: Friday, January 31, 2003  blueArrow
2/1/2003; 3:53:47 PM (reads: 686, responses: 0)
Doc,

As with the 1986 disaster, what happened isn't as much important as what happens next. NASA is a classy institution - I have no doubts that they will do the right thing. I hope that the different time and place of 2003 (v. 1986) hasn't changed this.

Your comments regarding watching this terrible event through the eyes of a six-year old really struck me. I've blogged some more thoughts on this back on byte.org...

Regards,

-rwr

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lou josephs - Re: Friday, January 31, 2003  blueArrow
2/1/2003; 4:31:22 PM (reads: 1214, responses: 0)
Speculation: The redundant set failed. What that means is the three computers that control the shuttle failed at the same time. That would cause major failures along the lines of the vechicle breaking up. The other reason could be the APU's blew up. That's the amonia powered Aux Power Units. When they were started it appears the shuttle blew. BTW Jay Barbaree at NBC is an old friend, he's the only talking head I would trust.

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Mary Lu Wehmeier - Re: Friday, January 31, 2003  blueArrow
2/1/2003; 4:34:20 PM (reads: 686, responses: 0)
Doc,

I did get up to see the shuttle this morning, but the never could get a bead on the orbit from here. I never could get a bead on it, as my eyes are still not working 100%. So I decided to head back to the sack, but couldn't get to sleep. About 40 minutes later I got a call from Cliff in NC who had the same vocal expression as Janet had with you.

This is not a good day. This proves we still have a lot to learn.

More later.

--Mary Lu

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Mary Lu Wehmeier - Re: Friday, January 31, 2003  blueArrow
2/1/2003; 4:35:11 PM (reads: 643, responses: 0)
Oh one more thing... why is your date still Jan 31st?

Mary Lu

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lou josephs - Re: Friday, January 31, 2003  blueArrow
2/2/2003; 12:07:28 AM (reads: 664, responses: 0)
Watching local news can sometimes be a very humbling experience. The WFAA news from Texas was on Cspan this evening, it's a classic example of what's wrong with local tv news. Ok, I have some interesting links: http://www.floridatoday.com/columbia/index.htm This is a special web edition of what the local (Brevard County, FLA's Spacecoast) newspaper did. They also have sort of a blog. This is very interesting reading. http://www.floridatoday.com/journal/020103landing.htm I am also updating mysite as well that is http://www.myjamby.com/medianetwork/

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lou josephs - Re: Friday, January 31, 2003  blueArrow
2/2/2003; 3:53:57 AM (reads: 709, responses: 0)
ATTENTION Anchor Twinkies: Geography lesson: The Kennedy Space Center is located on Merrit Island Florida. It is not at Cape Canaveral. Cape Canaveral is 15 miles south of where Tom Brokaw was standing off of SR 3. The orginal US manned missions were launched from Cape Canaveral. With the Apollo era, from Apollo 8 to current all manned launches came from the Kennedy Space Center, on Merritt Island Florida, please make a frickin note of it.

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Shelley - Re: Saturday, February 1, 2003  blueArrow
2/2/2003; 6:11:45 PM (reads: 1053, responses: 0)
Just a small note, but Hubble was carried into space on Discovery. Columbia carried Chandra into space.

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