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started 11/16/2002; 8:00:37 AM - last post 11/21/2002; 8:22:40 PM
Doc Searls - Saturday, November 16 2002  blueArrow
11/16/2002; 12:00:37 PM (reads: 3118, responses: 12)
Remedial reality

So I've recovered 255 file fragments, some of which are recognized by Eudora as mbox files, and some of which aren't. The ones it aren't take about 10 minutes each to open and are superlong text files — one email after another. I'm slowly going through the debris here and assembling a new set of mostly old mailboxes. The result is a glue & baling wire affair, but better than nothing, I guess.

Doubt I'll have time to finish it before my mom and sis wake up, when I'll need to break this off. Might not get a chance to finish until I'm in Las Vegas tomorrow. If then.

Lot of lessons here. What sucks is that I've learned them all before. You'd think, etc.

[Later...] It's pretty much a complete train wreck. What appears to be the current inbox has about 10 intact emails and an 11th that's 17MB huge. Eudora crashes trying to open it.

Same is true for most of the other current and recent archival mailboxes. Pretty useless stuff.

Right now I'm trying to recover settings and my address book. Does anybody know the file types for those? If so, let me know in that discuss section there on the left. Thanks.

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Andrew Leyden - Re: Saturday, November 16 2002  blueArrow
11/16/2002; 12:35:44 PM (reads: 663, responses: 3)
Doc,

I've had similar problems with OSX Eudora. It ate huge portions of my e-mail account, wiping out months at a time, or being more annoying and wiping out forward/reply information. Really a tremendous pain.

One thing I did was turn on "old style table of contents (TOC)" which I think creates a second file called like IN.TOC (helps in rebuilds, I think).

Second thing was a program called a "Better Type of Finder Creator"--shoot, it's not on this machine so I don't have the exact name. It's on most OSX sites. It let me get into those large text files (like you have) and change the finder creator codes to the Eudora settings (thus allowing those long text files to open as Eudora files).

A third solution could be an import into the Mail application from the large text file, and then an reimport back into Eudora. You'll lose "status" information like reply and whatnot, but there is a program called ... hmmm... Eudora Mailbox Cleaner or something like that (sorry for the lack of knowledge on these program names, I'm on the laptop with only limited applications so I can't double check).

Good luck.

andrew@penguinradio.com

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Doc Searls - Re: Saturday, November 16 2002  blueArrow
11/16/2002; 3:02:42 PM (reads: 667, responses: 0)
Thanks.

I was using the old style TOCs. I'll look into the rest of this stuff, but I think unless a miracle happens it'll be Wednesday before I can sit down and try to sort everything out.

Meanwhile I'm so fucking lost without email I can't begin to describe it. Too depressing anyway.

For today I'll run a few more recovery efforts on the HD while I help my mother and sister around the house. I just hope I'm not too much of a zombie in Las Vegas, where I'm on a big-deal panel Monday.

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Doc Searls - Re: Saturday, November 16 2002  blueArrow
11/16/2002; 3:02:45 PM (reads: 665, responses: 0)
Thanks.

I was using the old style TOCs. I'll look into the rest of this stuff, but I think unless a miracle happens it'll be Wednesday before I can sit down and try to sort everything out.

Meanwhile I'm so fucking lost without email I can't begin to describe it. Too depressing anyway.

For today I'll run a few more recovery efforts on the HD while I help my mother and sister around the house. I just hope I'm not too much of a zombie in Las Vegas, where I'm on a big-deal panel Monday.

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Jonathan Blocksom - Re: Saturday, November 16 2002  blueArrow
11/16/2002; 6:02:39 PM (reads: 692, responses: 0)
Maybe some other applications for switching mail programs could help you recover your mailbox.

You might try Emailchemy: http://www.weirdkid.com/products/emailchemy/index.html "Emailchemy is a utility that helps you regain ownership of your email. Emailchemy reads email from the proprietary formats of the most popular (and many of yesterday's forgotton) email applications and converts it to a standard, portable format that any application can use."

Andrew mentioned Eudora Mailbox Cleaner, which you can find at http://homepage.mac.com/aamann/Eudora_Mailbox_Cleaner.html

As a short term measure, maybe you could import your mail into OS X mail just so you'd have access to it?

Good luck.

Jonathan

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Hanan Cohen - Meanwhile, consider using webmail  blueArrow
11/16/2002; 6:27:46 PM (reads: 593, responses: 0)
If you cannot recieve or send Email, I suggest publishing an alternative Email address on a webmail server.

I use fastmail.fm and I am very happy with it. For 15$, you will get quite a lot.

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Hanan Cohen - Meanwhile, consider using webmail  blueArrow
11/16/2002; 6:28:27 PM (reads: 598, responses: 0)
If you cannot recieve or send Email, I suggest publishing an alternative Email address on a webmail server.

I use fastmail.fm and I am very happy with it. For 15$, you will get quite a lot.

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Mary Lu Wehmeier - Pointer to Lists  blueArrow
11/16/2002; 8:38:24 PM (reads: 632, responses: 0)
Here's the pointer to what I'm fondly calling "docs list" http://radio.weblogs.com/0100243/stories/2002/11/16/docslist.html

Should you need more info. You have the number.

Mary Lu

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Jed S. Baer - Would formail be useful?  blueArrow
11/17/2002; 3:59:49 AM (reads: 690, responses: 4)
If those big long files containing multiple mails are complete with headers, then maybe the *nix program formail might make some sense of them. Hmmm, OSX being a BSD thing ... don't guess you'd be lucky enough to actually have that proggy on it? Well, if you can get those files onto a *nix box, or get an OSX copy of formail, a useful incantaion might be "cat {bigfilename} | formail -d -s | cat > $FILENO" (FILENO gets set by formail as a shell environment variable, sequential value for each seperate message encountered.

Course, that's assuming that 1 file per message is useful. Formail might rewrite the whole thing in a useful mbox format file though.

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Doc Searls - Re: Would formail be useful?  blueArrow
11/17/2002; 11:58:08 PM (reads: 764, responses: 3)
That sounds like a great idea. Thanks!

I can't get on Google right now, so I'm nit finding out if OS X has formail. Dunno. But if it's an mbox file, maybe I can make it happen on the new Linux box, whatever it will be. Hope to have one by the end of the week.

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Chris Janton - Re: Would formail be useful?  blueArrow
11/18/2002; 12:49:44 PM (reads: 874, responses: 2)
Mac OS X 10.2.2 -

mac 41 % which formail
/usr/bin/formail
mac 42 % formail -v
formail v3.21 2001/06/29
    Copyright (c) 1990-1999, Stephen R. van den Berg    <srb@cuci.nl>
    Copyright (c) 1997-2001, Philip A. Guenther         <guenther@sendmail.com>

Submit questions/answers to the procmail-related mailinglist by sending to: <procmail-users@procmail.org>

And of course, subscription and information requests for this list to: <procmail-users-request@procmail.org>

Here is the command I used to split my Eudora Out box into multiple files (I couldn't get the original to work, but this does)

formail <Out -ds sh -c 'echo $FILENO; cat > $FILENO'

basically spits out the file number of each message and puts it into a file for you.

You may have to change the line endings on the mailbox file (from CR to LF) to get it to *really* work.

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Doc Searls - Re: Would formail be useful?  blueArrow
11/18/2002; 1:44:31 PM (reads: 859, responses: 0)
Excellent! Thanks!

I love this kind of tech support. *Much* appreciated.

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Doc Searls - Re: Would formail be useful?  blueArrow
11/22/2002; 12:22:40 AM (reads: 927, responses: 0)
Okay, I've done that with one 24MB file, and came up with over 2000 individual files. What do I do next? Eudora can't seem to make sense of any of them. Yet.

Thanks!

Doc

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