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 Thursday, November 7, 2002
started 11/7/2002; 8:09:14 AM - last post 11/7/2002; 10:17:24 AM
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Doc Searls - Thursday, November 7, 2002 
11/7/2002; 12:09:14 PM (reads: 5905, responses: 3)
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More kvetching 
How secrecy fails, cont'd
| | Once again, if the Segway folks hadn't kept their invention such a big fucking secret for so long, and let more people screw around with them, so inventive and resourceful people could imagine fun applications for them, so maybe the invention would have a chance to mother some necessity, we probably wouldn't be seeing controversies like this. |
| | Hard to rally support for something that has earned the ennui of millions. |
Bigger business
Freeze speech
| | Under the threat of legal action by the New York Times, a poet has suppressed three pieces he posted online. |
Look up
Crossblog floggery
Shelf consciousness
| | Scott Loftesness: Perhaps we should start a new "movement": the Weblog Search Services Protocol — WSSP? Let's face reality: in the weblog community, search is much more important than identity. |
| | I think a new protocol is a good idea. I should add that when I called for building out the Net's directory, I wasn't just thinking about Weblogs. I was thinking about the absence of more complete directory services for the Net itself. Bigger issue. |
| | Scott also says Google needs to add a Weblogs tab (with up to the minute results) to the newly introduced Google News service. I have mixed feelings about that. Blogs are journals, but I'm not sure they're news sources in the conventional sense that Google seems to be assuming with its service. I recently suggested to Google that they add an online publication to their list of 4000+ sources. A human wrote back with a polite but negative response that suggested that the system wouldn't work if it assumed too wide a definition of what a news outlet is. Maybe that definition excludes anything with an inlet as well as an outlet, or that produces continuous unfinished work. |
| | I think blogs are too personal, too conversational, too interactive — too human — to be considered "outlets" for anything. The journals we call "blogs" and the journals we call "publications" are very different in kind. Blogs are totally native to the world of ends we call the Web. Publications are native to the physical world. They are adapted to the Web, but not native to it. One way they don't adapt is in the permanent nature of their output. Once published, it's done. Unlike publications, blogs are subject to subsequent editing and re-editing. They also welcome edits by others. The are alive in the sense that they are, like their authors, unfinished. |
| | That said, blogs still belong on the library shelves of the Net's directory, and of the readers guides provided by the likes of Google. |
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Fred Grott - A Question about blogs
11/7/2002; 1:23:46 PM (reads: 532, responses: 2)
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Dco what about blogs like scripting.com Where dave si combining news blogged on front page with tech articles distributed in the websites and blogs Userland owns..
I ask because my own site is omewhat patterned in that approach..
I know offhand the writing styles are vastly different from my own pratice on using these forms..in my own I have decided whether goign to full magazine tech format frees or hinders viewers as opposed to the more zine format that I use on my tech articles within my site..
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Ryan Irelan - An answer?
11/7/2002; 1:51:06 PM (reads: 616, responses: 0)
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Why can't your final paragraph of "Shelf Consciouness" be an answer, better yet, a closing statement to the j vs J issue?
That's what it seems to me. Simple isn't it?
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Doc Searls - Re: A Question about blogs
11/7/2002; 2:17:24 PM (reads: 645, responses: 0)
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It's all gray — but the one thing that seems black and white to me is the permanence of the output. Publications like to make their stuff permanent. They produce output in the finished sense of the word. It's manufactured. Blogs may be no less permanent than anything else on the Web, but the finished work is maleable. Editable by the author. I often change stuff I've already publishd. So does Dave. So do lots of other bloggers.
Seems different in kind to me.
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