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Wednesday, August 21, 2002
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Wednesday, August 21, 2002
started 8/21/2002; 2:11:04 AM - last post 8/21/2002; 5:34:19 PM
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Doc Searls - Wednesday, August 21, 2002 
8/21/2002; 6:11:04 AM (reads: 9451, responses: 6)
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Gnomeward bound
| | Our house guests are none other than Dean and his sweetie Susan. Just finished giving them the town tour. Spectacular day. We went up on Camino Cielo (more or less the same tour as this guy took here, but in a rented Chevy rather than a way-cool bike). Up n the ridge were on top of Cloud Nine, Ten and Eleven. Literally. Blue sky above and puffy white at our feet. Nice. |
| | Now I hafta pack for Gnomedex. I leave at 4am and I'm not close to ready. But first we're headed out to dinner. |
| | Meanwhile, I gotta dig how fast and far the People Vs. Hollywood political conversation is spreading. Dave's blog today makes a nice jumping off point, but it fans out real fast from there. Like a fire. Which is exactly the idea. |
A call to traction
| | Sheila sums up a bunch of the political stuff we've been talking about, and makes some very sensible suggestions for winning non-techie hearts and minds. |
Woi-flying up over down under
Multiplying conversational exponents
| | The implementation stage of Cluetrain indeed. Gives me chills. I love it. |
| | Networked markets get smarter faster than most companies Cluetrain said. |
| | Same goes for democracies and their governments. |
| | What have you done? Larry asked the crowd at OSCon. I wanted to stand up and yell, "Hey! We created GeekPAC and AOTC!" But I knew both efforts weren't close to prime time. |
| | But prime time is now to November. |
| | Rock on, everybody. Power from the people. |
Nativity
| | Just remembered something else that came up in the phone conversation yesterday with Dave Winer: it's time to understand software on its own terms, whatever they are. |
| | Is it like publishing? Yes, in some ways. Like music? Yes again, but only in some ways. Same goes for writing, manufacturing, and every other metaphor we can use. |
| | But if software matters as much as the rest of those things, it needs to be understood anew on its own terms. |
| | Once we get that worked out, then we can say exactly how copyright (for example) ought to apply. |
| | Anyway, I just wanted to write that down somewhere before I forgot it. |
| | [Later...] And maybe Larry Staton Jr. would rather I had forgotten it. He makes an excellent point. You'll find that and many other interesting conversational items by hitting the Discussions link over there on the left. The whole sectoin been unusually active lately. |
Ism jism
| | Dan Gillmor: Customerism. Great concept. Except get this... it's Dave Sifry's meme-sized summary of Dan's post. I still think it works. Soon as he said it on the phone a minute ago, I knew what he meant. |
| | It's like the first time I said "what we call consumerism is really producerism." People got it. Not that they used it or anything, but at least they got it. |
| | But hey: maybe now it's time to start using all those new isms. Get carried away. |
Gotta have it, cont'd
Instant hack
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Larry Staton Jr - Re: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 
8/21/2002; 10:42:07 AM (reads: 1936, responses: 3)
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"Once we get that worked out, then we can say exactly how copyright (for example) ought to apply."
Argh! This is a problem because the courts and Congress have already determined how copyright "ought to apply" to software. Software is fully protected under current copyright terms. Alternatively, the courts have ruled that software has a expressive component and a functional component. As such, software does not warrant heightened review under the First Amendment. Thus, the courts have already determined that software is not like publishing, not like music. It matters not how we think copyright "ought to apply" until we are in a position to get the law changed and we are far, far from that position.
Now, how do we change the law? The only way to do it is via the political process - just as Professor Lessig has advocated the whole time! Sigh...
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Timothy Phillips - Re: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 
8/21/2002; 1:03:39 PM (reads: 2349, responses: 0)
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Larry Lessig suggests working to defeat 2 congressmen.
Here are two possibilities:
Mark Kirk (Illinois, 10th). Not because he is necessarily bad, but because his opponent, Hank Perritt, would be better.
Mary Bono, (California, 44th or 45th -- there seems to be a re-districting issue here.) This was one of the proponents of the CTEA. Her opponent seems to be Elle Kurpiewski, who looks "good enough for government work."
Is anyone on-list "represented" (formally speaking) by either of these incumbents ? Are they vulnerable ? Have their opponents a fighting chance ?
Can anyone on-list suggest other representatives that it might be possible to unseat ?
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Doc Searls - Re: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 
8/21/2002; 1:43:55 PM (reads: 1046, responses: 2)
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Well put, and thanks.
My point wasn't really about copyright, but rather about common usage. And that does play in the political process. Larry Lessig is right to point out that the Hollywood crowd has done an excellent job of establishing a rhetoric that works in their favor, for example by characterizing copyright strictly as property and all kinds of fair use as piracy and theft.
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krumpled - Re: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 
8/21/2002; 2:43:11 PM (reads: 1119, responses: 0)
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So lets play with this idea that copyright is like physical property.
Taken in this context the question of "If IP is the same as physical property and it should enjoy the same protections under law then why isn't there an IP tax?" always seems to come up. I never bought into it the tax IP argument but the more I think about it why not.
Have the first piece of protected IP be tax free for a period of time say 10 or 15 yrs. This still keeps incentive for innovation and maintains what the legalized monopoly was originally intended to do. Then after that period expires you would be eligible to renew your IP protection on a 2 year (or some time period) basis and pay a tax proportional to the sales or income that was derived from that piece of IP each year. If you don't renew your IP protection then it goes into the public domain. This way companies like Disney can protect Mickey Mouse until the end of all IP protection but something like the 1920's and 1930's movies sitting on the shelf somewhere rotting a way can go into the public domain sooner and the public gets something for allowing the monopoly to exist. This of course assumes that congress wont extend the lifetime of the copyright and patent again but even so the public would still benfit from an IP tax and maybe we could also use some of that revenue to better fund the USPTO.
regards,
kevin
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Larry Staton Jr - Re: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 
8/21/2002; 2:49:02 PM (reads: 1181, responses: 0)
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More than establishing a rhetoric, Hollywood is establishing the law in the form of precedents for other courts to follow. The reason that the 2600 case was not appealed to the Supreme Court was that the attorneys for 2600 did not want the ruling from the Appeals court to be upheld and thus become the law of the land. To uphold the ruling in that case would be a terrible blow to the online world. Precedents are very difficult to overcome in the court system. The only way to get a common law changed is to legislate a new solution.
For example, fair use is defined as an exception to the exclusive rights given to copyright holders. Fair use is not defined as a right in and of itself in the US Code and the courts are upholding this. We need to legislate fair use as a right in and of itself.
As an IP worker bee, I see it every day. One of our clients will say, "we think that person is infringing on our copyright" and they will direct us to send a nasty gram to the alleged infringer. The alleged infringer will either a) not know about fair use or b) will challenge based on fair use. Then it comes down to money. The alleged infringer cannot possibly challenge the 800-pound mouse without a lot of money. So, the alleged infringer stops what they are doing and pays money to the client for damages even if the alleged infringer has done nothing wrong. Without a clear, legislated right to fair use, this practice will continue to stifle creativity and fatten the pockets of copyright holders.
On a positive note, great news about the AOTC blog! Let's get organized! Free the Mouse!
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Fred Grott - Re: A Copyright Software Quesiotn 
8/21/2002; 9:34:19 PM (reads: 894, responses: 0)
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This may help to hash out the complexitity of the Software Copyright Issue..
Is not raising the Importance of the Software Copyright also recognizing the increasing importnace fo the common good in computer software via web technology, internet access, and etc?
I know that it cannot be equally applied to all software areas, its bovious that software OSes have a more common good to the general public than something like Oracle although the general public does indirectly benefit from Oracle installations in ecommmerce sites..
I realize that each person may be coming form their own viewpoint but remember all of us even Lessig is attempting to define common good in the balance between property rights and the public good rather thna wiat for the ignorance of gov officals to take over.. which I think is a good thing!
Glad to see that their is movement on the political side of the issue...
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