Josh's argument lost a lot of credibility for me when he tried to fit Lessig and Dave into camps. He either doesn't understand the situation fully or is ignoring the facts to make his case. The statement that Lessig is a "collectivist opposed to individual property rights" is completely wrong. First, individual property rights != intellectual property rights. Lessig has said on numerous occassions that he is for strong intellectual property rights _but_ he is strongly against extending these rights for an unlimited period of time. This is a point that can't be missed if you have read any of Lessig's work or look at the positions that the causes he supports are for (ie. Creative Commons and the Eldred v. Ashcroft case).